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German regulator discovers new illegal software on Daimler diesels

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Over the weekend, Germany's auto regulator told Daimler that it would have to recall 42,000 Mercedes-Benz diesel vehicles after the group discovered illegal software on the cars that would reduce the effectiveness of the emissions-control system.

 

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Daimler said Sunday night that it would take a one-time charge of hundreds of millions of euros against the upcoming quarter's earnings to deal with the new accusations, but it disputed the government regulator's determination that the software in question was illegal. According to the Wall Street Journal, Daimler plans to formally object to the claims.

 

The accusation against the German automaker is similar to accusations lobbed against Volkswagen Group starting in 2015. The US Environmental Protection Agency accused VW Group of including illegal software on its diesel vehicles to ensure that the diesels would pass emissions limits imposed by the US. Ultimately, VW Group ended up spending tens of billions of dollars on regulatory fines and vehicle buybacks in the US and the EU.

 

Today, the Daimler vehicles in question are Mercedes-Benz-brand vehicles that are only sold in the EU. According to a WSJ source, the issue relates to a coolant thermostat in the cars that protects parts of the engine. The related software is found on vehicles made between 2012 and 2015. The WSJ says the type of coolant thermostat used on the diesel vehicles in question is generally found on cars with catalytic converters that don't use selective catalytic reduction, an emissions-reduction technique that uses urea to reduce nitrogen oxides to less-harmful forms. But the GLK 220 CDI 4MATIC Mercedes-Benz models that must be recalled do appear to use selective catalytic reduction.

 

Daimler said it notified the government regulator about the existence of this software last year. Last June, Daimler was ordered to conduct another, larger recall of diesel vehicles across Europe due to a separate illegal-software issue related to emissions. Separately, Daimler, BMW, and Volkswagen Group have been under investigation by the European Union Commission for allegedly conspiring to hinder emissions reduction technology in diesel and gas vehicles.

 

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Do the Germans have some kind of thing of whacking such software on their cars? I would've thought that they would have learnt after the whole Volkswagen fiasco but hey, apparently not though. Just seems odd that they seem so determined to cheat the regulators. Why not just try and create more 'greener' cars for society instead of keeping on producing the polluting beasts, how ever lovely and noisy they may be. 

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On 26.6.2019 at 6:58 PM, MarteeBe said:

Do the Germans have some kind of thing of whacking such software on their cars? I would've thought that they would have learnt after the whole Volkswagen fiasco but hey, apparently not though. Just seems odd that they seem so determined to cheat the regulators. Why not just try and create more 'greener' cars for society instead of keeping on producing the polluting beasts, how ever lovely and noisy they may be. 

Every single car manufacturer does it (Okay, not all, cuz all of these are conjecture). VW are one of many conglomerates that installed such software. 

 

Of course they can make a diesel engine that is clean, but it would be a little bit less efficient and might have a little bit less horse power/range, etc. Or maybe not, I wouldn't know cuz I don't work their industries  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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1 hour ago, (SBB) Storm said:

Every single car manufacturer does it (Okay, not all, cuz all of these are conjecture). VW are one of many conglomerates that installed such software. 

 

Of course they can make a diesel engine that is clean, but it would be a little bit less efficient and might have a little bit less horse power/range, etc. Or maybe not, I wouldn't know cuz I don't work their industries  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Believe in yourself Storm, I'm sure you can be a vehicle engineer yet. ;) On a serious note, I just don't understand why all these manufacturers, who tend to have far too much money also, cannot just work together to create something that is greener/more efficient/etc without the need to resort to software in order to attempt to cheat the regulators. I'm aware it's probably a cost thing but with the way the world is going anyway environmentally, why not try and get ahead of the curve a bit?

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2 hours ago, MarteeBe said:

Believe in yourself Storm, I'm sure you can be a vehicle engineer yet. ;) On a serious note, I just don't understand why all these manufacturers, who tend to have far too much money also, cannot just work together to create something that is greener/more efficient/etc without the need to resort to software in order to attempt to cheat the regulators. I'm aware it's probably a cost thing but with the way the world is going anyway environmentally, why not try and get ahead of the curve a bit?

 

Welp, from all the bases that I've re-read all the way from VW's scandal, the reason it hasn't gone the way you described it can come down to two stories.

 

  1. Short story:

PROFITS PROFITS PROFITS PROFITS PROFITS PROFITS PROFITS PROFITS  

 

      2. Long story:

 

It is/was basically a legal limbo and I guess a bit of corporate America mafia tactics. People knew about VW’s problem in Germany and across Europe, but the difference is they have in the law that you can use software to lower the emissions of a vehicle. Now, people assumed that would mean a computer would help the vehicle burn less fuel when it doesn’t need to, etc. so it would be a cleaner vehicle. The manufacturers took it as such, we can program the system to act differently when it’s hooked up the emissions test and what’s crazy is the US actually came down on these companies for lying, while the EU read the law and decided that what they did was okay and it’s been status quo. It's not the first of many cases EU lawmakers try a law without seeing the consequences, so let's take all that with a grain of salt.

 

So if anyone drives a Vespa to work and believe it's well below average emission, check if it's actually a 6 liter diesel, you'll never know.

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