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I don't understand. She fired people while working at a place where part of her job was firing people, and that makes her evil? Or did something corrupt happen at HP?

 

Much better the company keep the 30k employees until they go out of business and are forced to lay off everybody. Obviously that's what a CEO should do.

 

clearly the money to pay them was supposed to come from the innate goodness of humankind but there was a clerical error. that's why people are mad, because this woman failed to magically produce money

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Tiddy-bits:

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Not sure what point you were trying to make, but it wasn't made very well. Please feel free to elaborate.

Your little cartoon depicts businesses distracting the public with another figure on whom to blame their woes. Please, do explain how that relates to the discussion in any way.

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Not sure what point you were trying to make, but it wasn't made very well. Please feel free to elaborate.

Your little cartoon depicts businesses distracting the public with another figure on whom to blame their woes. Please, do explain how that relates to the discussion in any way.

My point was that all you have to do is say "It's just business," or blame critics and suddenly everything about this person is okay. Completely disregarding the fact that the layoffs didn't just lay off American employees at HP, but they outsourced manufacturing and call centers to a country with lower wages. HP's current employee count as of 2014 is an estimated 302,000. Most of those employees are not based in the United States. Why would you defend someone, especially now since they are running for office, who sets the example that outsourcing jobs to a country with cheaper wages is going to magically be better, because it's just business, not only economically here in the United States, where their manufacturing and call-centers had been outsourced (jobs and industries that created an economic boom), but the fact their interests serve large businesses who would follow the same path if it generated more profit? We need to stop electing big business capitalists and start electing people who have extensive knowledge of the world past short-term profitability.

 

Somewhat related point: Our current system of capitalism (Where shareholders and board of directors control the money) isn't sustainable in the United States. I am not saying we need communism, socialism, blah blah blah, but there are other alternatives to capitalism that don't involve giving power and money to the hands of a few people. We are reaching a point where money and power of the economy are being passed to fewer and fewer hands, creating monopolistic control over certain sectors of the economy, mostly by contracting, buyouts or driving them out of business completely. There is no room for small business any more. All of the businesses that you see rising up out of nowhere that started local are buyouts from other larger enterprises and ran as franchises.

 

1. Look up the crisis of over-production.

2. Look up the class inequality. Even conservatives realize that this gap is getting larger and larger and the middle class is getting closer and closer to extinction, where most of their profits were generated from generation to generation of working in booming industries (which outsourced or moved to places with cheaper labor and materials).

3. Labor Unions have to keep giving up worker's rights to decent wages.

 

Everything I am mentioning above can be better described in the video:

 

tl;dr: It's just hilarious how quick people are to ride the dick of large businesses because "it's just business," especially ex-CEOs, without realizing how much harm they are causing to the people they claim to serve.


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The world is moving towards globalization. We're in an extremely volatile moment of time where technology is evolving leaps and bounds each day, and part of that is a huge deal of instability.

We as americans are used to being very important, that's no longer the case. China and India are in the prime of their industrial revolutions, and more importantly a technological revolution. These countries are rising leaps and bounds to soon be on equal terms economically.

But that's all political bullshit. Your upset at the outsourcing? Cool, throw out every piece of technology you have, iTails. Every apple product you own, toss it so that you no longer support that outsourcing. Support only local businesses, buy only domestic products and refuse to vote for politicans giving tax benefits to companies that outsource their workforce.

But you won't do that, because it's much easier to sit in an armchair (made by the Chinese) and type at a computer (manufactured in India) about how unfair things are. That doesn't take any sacrifices.

Regardless, none of that relates to the cartoon you posted which is Americans blaming the jews for their woes caused by big business. Nobody blamed anybody except yourself, me TCK and Forks simply said that the CEO did what she should have done based on her position. She did what was best for the company in making sure it succeeded in the long term. It may have been a difficult choice, it may have caused 30,000 people to lose their jobs, but in the end the company is able to move forward and as you said yourself, support over 300,000 employees over the world, helping to spread wealth and equality across the globe. If you care as much about social equality as you claim, you should appreciate the opportunity that provides to second and third world countries. And, if she was elected to office, I imagine she would do what's best for her constituents over the long term, even if it's a painful decision.

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The world is moving towards globalization. We're in an extremely volatile moment of time where technology is evolving leaps and bounds each day, and part of that is a huge deal of instability.

 

We as americans are used to being very important, that's no longer the case. China and India are in the prime of their industrial revolutions, and more importantly a technological revolution. These countries are rising leaps and bounds to soon be on equal terms economically.

I agree.

 

But that's all political bullshit. Your upset at the outsourcing? Cool, throw out every piece of technology you have, iTails. Every apple product you own, toss it so that you no longer support that outsourcing. Support only local businesses, buy only domestic products and refuse to vote for politicans giving tax benefits to companies that outsource their workforce.

But you won't do that, because it's much easier to sit in an armchair (made by the Chinese) and type at a computer (manufactured in India) about how unfair things are. That doesn't take any sacrifices.

You make it sound as if I have a large choice in the matter to buy domestic when all products in stores (let me remind you again that small domestic businesses are starting to go extinct) are created by the 3rd world. Yeah, that's totally my fault. I don't even see how this is relevant.

 

Regardless, none of that relates to the cartoon you posted which is Americans blaming the jews for their woes caused by big business.

The point wasn't blaming the jews, it's blaming any boogyman these large capitalists put out while claiming they are the good guys. ie, "God damn liberal socialist president caused the deficit to rise!" Totally not to bail out companies and firms that should have gone to the grave, but were too rooted in the economy (gee, monopolies) that it would cause market panic and potential collapse. :rolleyes: They are the biggest welfare recipients on the planet with bailouts and tax breaks.

 

 

Nobody blamed anybody except yourself, me TCK and Forks simply said that the CEO did what she should have done based on her position. She did what was best for the company in making sure it succeeded in the long term.

You aren't understanding what I am saying by "short term." This company has been doing cutbacks and layoffs since the housing crisis of 2008, which is understandable in their position to generate profit and save money, but the fact of the matter is that they didn't outsource just to avoid collapse. They outsourced and stayed outsourced. How the hell is the American economy supposed to bounce back when the people laid off and cannot find jobs for industries they were once qualified for, don't have any job opportunities or income to better the economy in the United States? Not only that, but why, if the labor is so cheap, are prices still fixed to a value they once set to balance what they paid workers versus their return on investment? You'd figure the cheaper the labor and materials, the cheaper the product.

 

It may have been a difficult choice, it may have caused 30,000 people to lose their jobs, but in the end the company is able to move forward and as you said yourself, support over 300,000 employees over the world, helping to spread wealth and equality across the globe. If you care as much about social equality as you claim, you should appreciate the opportunity that provides to second and third world countries. And, if she was elected to office, I imagine she would do what's best for her constituents over the long term, even if it's a painful decision.

@Underlined: No, that is not what I said or claimed to support. I support equality on the basis that everyone is afforded the same opportunities and not discriminated against. Profession wage gap is not the same thing as class wage gap. I don't have an issue with workers in other countries, but those workers don't make shit for the labor and goods they produce. They must be jumping for joy being exploited for shitty wages and not be able to afford any of the products they produce. As Americans demand higher and higher wages, they are going to continue to lay off, lower wages and outsource. In worst case scenario, when most of capitalist industry is gone, who the hell in the United States is going to be able to afford anything capitalists want to profit off of and why the hell would they have any interest in a dying economy where their investments would soon be wasted? These crooks have no reservations about packing up and leaving the United States to die. After all, it's a globalized economy. That's why they outsource.

 

@Red: So as long as an official supports large businesses and not the working class in the United States (because fuck representation of the people of the United States) that will dump money in taxes on them when they are "too big to fail", it's all sunshine and lemons? That is one of the most ridiculous reasons for supporting a candidate I've ever heard unless you're an investor.

 

tl;dr, learn how the globalized capitalist economy actually works


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If she's an example of the people running for President over here I'm going to start picking another country to move to.

Move to Russia with me!


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