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Russia Attacked Turkish Convoy Operating Inside Syria, Which Turkey Claims As Act Of War

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Russian Air Force planes have just attacked and destroyed a convoy of Turkish vehicles inside Syria. Turkey claims the trucks were a "relief convoy" calls the attack "an act of war." See bottom paragraph for update.

 

Hours after the incident which destroyed a Russian Su-24 bomber and left one pilot dead, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan went on the defensive, blaming an alleged incursion of Turkish airspace.

 

"We did not want this situation to happen, but everybody has to respect Turkey’s right to defend its borders," he told reporters, adding that the military’s actions were "fully in line with Turkey’s rules of engagement."
 
Many of the Turkish claims have already been called into question, raising doubts that the incident was a mere in-the-moment misunderstanding. Adding to that doubt are comments made by Davutoglu on Wednesday, in which he took direct responsibility for the crash.
 
"Despite all the warnings, we had to destroy the aircraft," he said during a meeting with his party, according to Canadian news site ThinkPol. "The Turkish Armed Forces carried out orders given by me personally."
 
Given the speed with which the incident occurred, it’s hard to know what to make of Davutoglu’s claim. According to the Turkish government’s own letter of explanation written to the United Nations Security Council, the military gave the Russian jet a series of warnings during a five-minute stretch, warning the pilots to move away from the border.
 
While the Russian Ministry of Defense has provided video evidence proving that the bomber never entered Turkish airspace, Ankara’s claim alleges that the incursion occurred for only 17 seconds.
 
It’s hard to imagine military personnel getting through to such a high-ranking government official, explaining the situation, and still having time to fire in a 17-second time frame.
 
Davutoglu’s statements seem to back up comments made by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov earlier on Wednesday, suggesting that the incident had been premeditated.
 
"We have serious doubts that it was unintentional, it looks like a planned provocation," he said. "We are not planning to wage a war against Turkey, our attitude towards the Turkish people has not changed. We have questions only to the Turkish leadership."
 
In response, Turkey’s Western allies in NATO have urged for calm.
 
"What we are calling for now is calm and de-escalation," NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said during a news conference in Brussels on Tuesday. "Diplomacy and de-escalation are important to resolve this question."
 
This was also echoed by US President Barack Obama, who told reporters "It’s very important for us right now to make sure both the Russians and the Turks are talking to each other to find out exactly what happened and take measures to discourage any kind of escalation."
 
While one of the pilots was killed by ground fire after ejecting from the aircraft, the other, Captain Konstantin Murahtin, was rescued. Murahtin also denied that his plane ever entered Turkish airspace, and also refuted claims that Turkey had given multiple warnings.
 
Russian President Vladimir Putin described the incident as a "stab in the back by accomplices of terrorists."  This may not have seemed to make sense at the time he spoke those words, but intelligence has been released showing that Turkey has been accepting into its country ISIS tanker trucks filled with oil, stolen by ISIS, from countries like Iraq and Syria.  That oil has then been sold on the Black Market, thus providing ISIS with over $1 Million per day in cash to fund its terrorist operations.
 
Earlier this month, when Russia began destroying ISIS oil tankers inside Syria, those destroyed oil tanker trucks instantly hit the pocketbook of the officials in Turkey who have been allowing the stolen oil to be sold in Turkey.  It seems logical that those officials would receive something in return for accommodating ISIS, and so it is starting to appear to some people, that Turkey is in business with ISIS.
 
If so, then Turkey is now a state sponsor of terrorism, who just committed a willful act of war against Russia by shooting down a Russian military plane, and killing its pilot. 
 
It is looking like World War 3 is no longer a far fetched notion.  The only question is, will NATO side with a member state which has provided material support to ISIS terrorists?  If so, then NATO itself will be aiding and abetting ISIS.  Thus, we in America will be on the wrong side of any war; it would actually seem that in a very real sense, we will actually be "the bad guys."
 
 UPDATE 6:56 AM Eastern Standard Time -- 26 November 2015 -----  Russian Air Forces have attacked a convoy of Turkish trucks inside Syria.  Turkey reports that at least seven Turks are dead, ten or more injured.  Turkey also claims the convoy was a "relief convoy" and says Russia has now committed "an act of war."   Photos from the attack are now coming in...first below:

 

 

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I got a little irritated but then laughed at their editorializing. As if NATO countries the world over haven't already been supplying ISIS. As if war has ever had "good side bad side" and not just "my side your side."

 

Are they declaring war, though? I don't want to get drafted.


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I'm not sure how much I trust this source.

 

20 hours ago it was posted on Godlike Productions, then on some blog named "Prophecy News, Heaven Soon" 9 hours ago and now this...

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I'm not sure how much I trust this source.

 

20 hours ago it was posted on Godlike Productions, then on some blog named "Prophecy News, Heaven Soon" 9 hours ago and now this...

 

The Telegraph has it as an update under it's initial article on the shoot down of the Su-24, same photos as Super 95.5, the airstrike report it was initially reported by Reuters.

 

Other wire services also collaborate Russian airstrikes on Syrian-Turkish border crossings. 

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Reuters reports about "Footage [that] shows trucks burning at Turkey-Syria border after apparent air strike". No comment about the attacker.

Others claim it is a "Mystery over who bombed Turkish convoy [...]".

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Reuters reports about "Footage [that] shows trucks burning at Turkey-Syria border after apparent air strike". No comment about the attacker.

Others claim it is a "Mystery over who bombed Turkish convoy [...]".

 

While Rueters doesn't report any "specific" mention of who bombed the convoy/border crossing, there are only two possible attackers, Syrian Government Forces or Russian Forces. The US/NATO wouldn't bomb Turkmen Rebels or Turkish assets, both are allies. Turkey also isn't going to bomb it's own border crossing or risking hitting ethnic Turkmen. 

 

The only other possibility is a staged propaganda play by the Turks to curry favor from NATO into backing their brain-fart move in taking down the Su-24. 

 

 

 

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So, I see you mentioned 3 possibilities:

  • Syrian Government Forces
  • Russian Forces
  • Turkey (staged propaganda)
And I might add that Saudi Arabia may also be a possibility not matter how unlikely that is.

What I find strange is that no one seem to had that air strike on their radar considering the recent event of the quickly shot down Russian jet.

Anyway, given the multiple possibilities of who is responsible for that airstrike, I think it is rash to blame a certain party for this assault no matter how likely their motive was.

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So, I see you mentioned 3 possibilities:

  • Syrian Government Forces
  • Russian Forces
  • Turkey (staged propaganda)
And I might add that Saudi Arabia may also be a possibility not matter how unlikely that is.

What I find strange is that no one seem to had that air strike on their radar considering the recent event of the quickly shot down Russian jet.

Anyway, given the multiple possibilities of who is responsible for that airstrike, I think it is rash to blame a certain party for this assault no matter how likely their motive was.

 

I would place Syrian Government Forces/Russian Forces under the same umbrella, both parties have the same agenda and Syrian Forces aren't going to preform any combat operation against Turkey without Russian approval.

 

I'd place the Saud's under the NATO umbrella, while they're not a NATO member, they are a member of the Peninsula Shield Force under the Gulf Cooperation Council, which works hand-in-hand with NATO and the US is heavily involved in Saudi affairs, especially their military, on all levels. Action against Turkey on the Saudi's part would cause NATO to have to make a move against them. An attack against Turkey, is an attack against NATO. 

 

The Saudi's and Turks are also both majorly controlled by the Sunni, ISIS is a Salafi Sunni militant group, it'd be highly unlikely under that pretext alone that any of them would attack each other. 

 

Iraq crisis: How Saudi Arabia helped Isis take over the north of the country

 

Riyadh is going to do what it has to, to keep good face in the international community and keep US Dollars flowing in. Even if it means "bombing", which in itself means nothing. The Saudi's could be bombing empty desert or do like the Turks do and hit Kurdish positions, claiming to be bombing ISIS.

 

The Turks have been "bombing ISIS" as well, yet intel reports have come out showing Turkey is helping ISIS smuggle oil and is even buying it from ISIS on the black market. 

 

‘Commercial scale’ oil smuggling into Turkey becomes priority target of anti-ISIS strikes

 

Russia has been stepping up it's air strikes against ISIS oil facilities and depots, which has serious cramped their export capabilities. Primarily to Turkey.

 

Russia claims the downing of the jet was a planned provocation and a US source says the Su-24 was fired on over Syria territory. Either way, what Turkey considers "it's" airspace isn't indicative of it's physical borders or even what is internationally recognized as Turkish airspace. 

Russian jet hit inside Syria after incursion into Turkey: U.S. official

 

Turkey shooting down plane was 'planned provocation' says Russia, as rescued pilot claims he had no warning - latest

 

Even the Turkish recordings doesn't overly support their case of claiming Russia violated their airspace. Even if a Russian aircraft had entered Turkish airspace, it was only in the airspace for a supposed 17 seconds (as noted by Turkey), but was most likely a much shorter span of time, and it did indeed leave Turkish airspace and was shot down over Syria. 

The act of Russia striking out against Turkey is supported by the data. However, this incident most likely wasn't a direct strike against Turkey by Russia. The Russian's have been preforming bombing runs against targets in the border region for weeks and most likely managed to score a random hit against a Turkish convoy, which if it was in Syrian territory is a violation of international law (violating Syrian sovereignty) and an act of war (aiding Turkmen rebels), which would explain why Turkey would remain relatively quite about it. (It would cause even further trouble for them, both with NATO and Russia)

 

As far as rash blame, that'd be Superstation95. All of what the station reported happened, but probably not in a coordinated way like they claim it did. 

 

EDIT: International Affairs and Geopolitics isn't an exact science, everyone, even governments have to go with what data is available and even then new data comes to light or entire situations change direction without notice. 

 

This isn't about blaming anyone, it's about using what data is available to determine outcomes and form hypothesis. What's happening has the potential to deteriorate very quickly into a much larger and worse off situation. 

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I would place Syrian Government Forces/Russian Forces under the same umbrella, both parties have the same agenda and Syrian Forces aren't going to preform any combat operation against Turkey without Russian approval.

Reminds me of a NATO-member which very recently performed combat operations who were not really aligned with NATO politics.^^

 

As far as rash blame, that'd be Superstation95.

As well as anyone who blindly believes Superstation95 and spreads its 'news'.

 

EDIT: International Affairs and Geopolitics isn't an exact science, everyone, even governments have to go with what data is available and even then new data comes to light or entire situations change direction without notice. 

 

This isn't about blaming anyone, it's about using what data is available to determine outcomes and form hypothesis. What's happening has the potential to deteriorate very quickly into a much larger and worse off situation.

A news(->objective information) ends where an opinion(->subjective estimation) begins.

The circumstance that a convoy was attacked is an objective information (given by Source).

The information that a Russian airstrike hit the convoy is an assumption, therefore a subjective estimation and in the end not news.

You are, of course, free to write a comment about recent or current events but please don't mark those texts as news.

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